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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by DeeDee on Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:56 pm

Sadly Flynn's thought occurred to me slightly ahead of him.  It was a very distressing moment.  And yet, their sheer joy in being with each other eased the sadness that they (perhaps and hopefully) died instantly. Flynn is a very sensitive man, for all that he is a top - his compassion and care SHINED in this story. (Sorry, but must edit now.  Flynn is a very compassionate man.  I didn't intend to say that he isn't - what I really should have said is that - much like Shenanigans Overlook - it doesn't matter to Flynn the intent of what you are doing - it matters what the rules are.  Flynn has little or no understanding when breaking rules and even less so when he is protecting the ones he loves - think about how he tried to chastise Paul after the incident with the thieves - Paul would have none of it (of course) but Flynn's feelings run deep.  It's sort of an understanding of how he feels. Though the brat side of me is with Riley/Gerry/Bear/Niall/Dale/Tom/etc.- some things are just worth it!

I like to think that because Dale was healing (yeah, I know... if wishes were horses, etc., etc.) they wouldn't be angry but every so slightly understanding. I get that the brats could have done it 'another time' but tops don't get 'urgency'.  

Perhaps they need a new handbook where urgency is defined and excused.  

We shall see.  

Every corner... LOL... David made sure there were plenty of 'handy' corners.  

Merry Christmas. 

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by abouttime2stop on Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:18 pm

Maybe they told jasper what they were doing before kidnapping Dale?  Having a brief brat meeting and taking great care with Dale....

Either way, I bet Jasper was with them the whole time. Just in case.

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:37 pm

I had the same thought - Jasper always seems to be aware when something's afoot.  Think of him shadowing Dale and Riley when they sneaked away to see Three Traders at night - after Jas specifically said they weren't to go off alone together.  Or Jasper carving that beautiful design in the ice box Dale and Riley put up as part of a practical joke.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit to discover he was following the brat contingent - staying well behind but keeping a watchful eye out.

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:44 pm

I was raised on the old TV westerns, such as Wagon Train, which painted a highly romanticized version of that incredibly perilous journey.  So many details in this story really drove this point home: periods where there's no decent water to drink, being unable to keep clean thereby increasing the likelihood of illness (such as cholera) or infection, non-existent medical care (unless there was a doctor in the group).  And how heartwrenching to have to leave all your personal possessions behind.

Years ago, I read a novel that had a more realistic view of a group heading west.  In the book, a child died and (as Sarah 'told' Dale) the gravesite was obliterated by having wagons drive over it to hide the spot from looters and predators.  The mother was devastated that she'd never be able to find the spot, and the scout told her that he would always be able to find the grave if she wanted to return.

How hard it must have been to lose a loved one and then have to bury them in an unmarked grave.

I meant to add that I'm really impressed with the research our authors do to make these stories as real and authentic as possible.  It shows in everything they write.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Guest on Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:08 pm

When I was in school in South Africa we learnt about the Voortrekkers ‘Great Trek’ which happened in a similar time period as the expansion on the Oregan Trail,. It’s interesting to see the parallels in both, especially when getting down to the stories in personal levels, which is often just people looking for a better way of life for themselves and there families. I also grew up with a highly romantic view of the old west, mostly from watching reruns of The Big Valley and Bonaza as a kid, and the reality was no where close to that. I agree it’s heart wrenching to imagine leaving everything behind as knowing that there was a high probability you may not see some of your family or friends ever again.

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Denicemarcell on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:39 pm

I doubt Riley hates toy shopping, he chose the new games and puzzles in the house with Dale in mind. Am wondering if hard candy would be appropriate to the time period.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Ranger52899 on Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:59 pm

Marchand I've never heard of Voortrekkers, I must look that up! 

When we were reading the biographies we could find from people who travelled the Oregon trail it was striking in several of them that in the 1840s people were saying a permanent goodbye to families in the east knowing they'd never be able to make this huge, five or six month trek back. Yet just 20 years later came the railroad and people were travelling easily across the states. One lady who went to Oregon with her parents when she was a teenager with the family believing it was a permanent shift to that one place then travelled all over the states with her husband by the time she was in her 30s, and was nipping between Oregon and eastern states by train visiting her various brothers.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Guest on Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:23 pm

@Ranger52899 The Voortrekkers were Dutch settlers who moved inward towards the old Transvaal on wagon trails to escape British colonial rule in the eastern cape between 1835 to the 1840s. It must have been very instetesting reading the biographies of those people on the oregan trail, I love history and really appreciate the research you and Rolf put in these books.
Yes sometimes I forget how quickly technology and modernisation moves on, when I moved away for home my parents and I used to email tape cassette letter back and forth to one another and wait a week or two for them to arrive, now 25 yrs later it’s all instaneous email and Skype..

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:17 pm

Ranger - I was thinking the same thing this morning, about what a HUGE difference having the railroad meant to people who thought they were saying goodbye for good to those they left behind.  I was remembering a mini-series called Centennial.  A young man from Pennsylvania left Amish country to travel west.  His mother had told him to take 4 of their prime horses for his wagon, but when he reached Ohio (I think) and joined a wagon train, the wagon master took his horses and traded them for oxen.

He thought he was saying a permanent goodbye to his mom, father, and brothers, but in middle age, with the advent of the railroad, he was able to travel back to Pennsylvania for a visit.

It takes a story like Oregon Way to remind us of how much we take for granted.  Those early travelers were at the complete mercy of the weather, for example.  If they didn't make it over the mountains by the time of the first snowfall, they were pretty much marooned.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Hayjude on Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:55 pm

I think probably every place people were settling have seen the same push to get to a better place. In Australia we didn’t have a wholesale trek to somewhere better, except in times of gold rush, but there were intrepid explorers who wanted to know what was out there and endured harsh conditions to find out - often losing their lives in consequence.
It is, perhaps, a part of the human spirit to go looking for answers.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:20 pm

@Hayjude wrote:I think probably every place people were settling have seen the same push to get to a better place. In Australia we didn’t have a wholesale trek to somewhere better, except in times of gold rush, but there were intrepid explorers who wanted to know what was out there and endured harsh conditions to find out - often losing their lives in consequence.
It is, perhaps, a part of the human spirit to go looking for answers.
Well said, Judy.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by DeeDee on Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:28 pm

Marchand wrote:Yes sometimes I forget how quickly technology and modernisation  moves on, when I moved away for home my parents and I used  to email tape cassette letter back and forth to one another and wait a week or two for them to arrive, now 25 yrs later it’s all instaneous email and Skype..
I liked this.  For some, travelling back simply wasn't an option.  Once they left their families that was it, until railroads made it possible to pass mail back and forth.  Waiting weeks or months to hear back from them - because travel, though available, wasn't affordable to them.  

There is so much courage in taking that chance and leaving behind everything and everyone you love to find a better life.  

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by kalico on Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:37 am

OMG thank you so much for this great chistmas gift of yours....
I loved every step of the journey they took back home, you guys did a truly amazing job with this story and I hope you both had a very happy holiday...

thanks for the video to it was perfect.

thanks for sharing kalico

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Houndnhorse1 on Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:12 pm

“Do you know what the Oregon Way is?” Dale gently straightened one of the little dolls.
“Of course I do. The trail. You just came down it.” Riley gave him a sideways look, somewhat concerned. “I thought you were over the concussion?”
“No. Not the trail, the way. It was something Philip believed in. I’ll explain another time. But it’s…” Dale looked again at the tree. “…perfect. You’re doing it well.”

I had not heard of “The Oregon Way” before. And, I think I still don’t completely understand it. I love how Ranger and Rolf don’t spell everything out but give us the pleasure of a little research ourselves. I found this quote by Oregon Sen. Wyden in an article:


 "The Oregon Way is more about taking good ideas wherever they come from, rather than one party or one philosophy." He continued, "what I really look for are those ideas where we respect each other and we follow inclusive politics where we don't leave anyone behind."


The quote is about The Oregon Way in regards to politics but it’s not difficult to see the extension to our story. I think Sarah is well versed in it. I wonder if she collected the children along the way, maybe in the location of their death? I don’t know but it is a lovely thought that Sarah gathers these children so they won’t be alone, in much the same way that Dale pointed her towards Reid so that he too would be included and not lonely and scared. I can also see that Philip did indeed practice this and David too. They gathered men, tops and brats alike and gave them a place and family. So great. Thanks for this lovely story and for illustrating so wonderfully here and in the rest of the books The Oregon Way. It’s not a bad New Years resolution to intend to live this way more consciously myself.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by DeeDee on Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:54 pm

Julie, 

Thanks for that explanation.  I hadn't really thought so much about that quote until you mentioned it here.  And in your research for an answer I very much can "see the extension to our story."

Thanks for looking that up and sharing it here!

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Ranger52899 on Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:56 pm

We did write a section where Dale explains this in more detail and then took it out to let people explore if they wanted - we're glad you enjoyed doing it Julie!

The Oregon Way was primarily led by the senators in Oregon in the 50s and 60s, Philip followed their careers in the newspapers and has books in the study mentioning the approach. Dale would also have run across the term in his work life. Essentially it was a belief not in sticking to one school of thought, or tribalism to a political party, but a willingness to draw on the best ideas from everyone to find common ground, common solutions and ways forward. 

The ranch has always believed in a family life that draws in a wide range of men from different backgrounds, principles, experiences and traditions into one common, shared home. Dale takes that a little further. A Shaman looks at meeting the needs and intermediating between all parties to find common ground, shared peace and the right way forward, and that doesn't just include the live ones or the ones in the current time!
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Rolf101 on Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:20 pm

Wanted to take a moment to thank everyone who posted notes about the Christmas story.  We had so much fun doing the research and writing this story, and it meant a lot to us that several new posters were spotted, as well as a lot of our old and dear friends.  You have fun reading the story, we have fun 'watching' you read.  Thankyou all for making the holidays a wonderful time of year here.  


Wishing everyone a happy, healthy and wonderful 2019.


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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Houndnhorse1 on Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:38 pm

Yes, it’s interesting,  they take very diverse people and claim them as their own allowing those men to do the same with them but it is obviously very far from an anything goes kind of place! In fact it has such an incredibly developed sense of ethic. In Handbags Dale acts as an intermediary but with a very strong sense of what is acceptable behavior and how the code of the ranch applies to them all. So, there is a too a ranch “way” which includes many expectations like inclusion, participation and peacefulness. It’s really astonishing what you all have created here.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:44 pm

Thanks to all for explaining Oregon Way. I, sadly, didn't do any research at all, although I wondered what it meant.  I assumed (wrongly) that it was something specific to FCR, and that it would show up eventually in another story or chapter.  

Now that I know what it is, I agree that Oregon Way really embodies Philip's way of thinking, and what he taught to the men who became part of the FCR family.  

I read Oregon Way on Christmas as my extra special present.  I'll be reading it again soon to pick up all the nuances I probably missed the first time through.  I thoroughly enjoy reading the comments about the different chapters.  They add a level of depth when I read something for the second time.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Hayjude on Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:30 pm

Like the men in the bubble, Cheryl....?
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:38 pm

Actually, I thought the bubble was kind of cool!  Not a fan of the food, though.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Trisha Louise on Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:08 pm

Ranger and Rolf, that was the most beautiful ending to an altogether golden story. The image of the wooden toys in the trees and the men who made it possible will stay with me. Please don't either of you ever doubt your writing talent. The care and thoughtfulness of this family comes to the page from your imaginations and convictions, and that says a whole lot of very good things about you both.


 She’s one of ours.


 “I didn’t know you saw it like that too.” 


 “I’m not sure I realised I did.” Flynn said thoughtfully. “I knew that’s what it’s like to you and to Jas, I understand why. But driving this road, seeing the distances and the terrain first hand, realising what she saw and what her family had to do, and some of what it must have been like…. She’s a person in her own right now. Not just a name I know.” 


 David was standing by one of the cases, looking at the pictures inside. He glanced across to Dale and smiled. 


 David has revealed a lot to Dale in his time at the Ranch but there are some things Dale had to learn from children. There's a connection and joy in playing and in the voices of these children that Dale of old simply did not know. How far he has come. You chose the perfect song to carry that particular energy and the family's embrace of these children.

 I've greatly enjoyed the parallel journeys and the really creative structure you have chosen, with parties scattered across place and time, yet connected through the narrative Dale shares and through the Ranch and the act of being one of theirs. I remember a discussion the forum held once. I asked Ranger if Tom saw Jake as St George, who would he see Dale as? I think you said as Gabriel, the connector, the communicator, or something along those lines. Am I close? I've tried finding that old conversation and it eludes me. I could have my angels and saints completely and hopelessly twisted. Regardless, Dale's gift in this way shines brightly, as does his ability to reach Flynn in a way few others can. Sharing the children's pleasure and safety in Flynn’s presence was a true kindness for this man he loves and nurtures as deeply as Flynn does him. 


 “So what did you do to yourself this time?” 


 “Tom?” Dale demanded. 


Tom snorted. “We arrived this afternoon.” 


 “They brought me.” Wade’s voice said with deep satisfaction. “I had a personal escort. Two very dishy and very tall body guards. Half the heads in the place turned to look. And no one wittered about me boozing on the plane either.” 


 I can hear someone else so clearly in Wade's voice here. Can picture him, too. So vividly that it actually made me stumble in my reading for a few days and I'm sorry about that. I'm very  pleased you wrote many of the men home in this Christmas story. It's another strand to the journeys and so beautifully done. 



 Listening to Dale sharing Hannah’s story to the family listening on the other end of the phone, and it was evident Dale was talking to quite a crowd who were listening with interest, Flynn was struck by how right this was in some odd way. He could hear in Dale’s voice that he recognised it too. The stories of people and places were something that Dale deeply valued, and that made sense to Flynn. A person knew themselves by their story. He’d spent his working life helping people unpack and listen to their own stories, consider the words they chose, consider which of the stories that held most power for them. People were stories. Listening, sharing, retelling, hearing someone in their story, those were things Jasper valued too. The very act of a group sharing in a story together was something powerful, it was something people did together that went back to the beginning of time, particularly around the fire on the dark nights of the year. They remembered their histories, reaffirmed what drew them together, what they shared in. It was something that would have taken place in the cave not far from here, eight thousand years ago, in very much the same way. Listening to Dale talk, Flynn found himself thinking suddenly of Philip reading A Christmas Carol in the family room at Christmas to a large group of the family who would collect together and listen: something he’d witnessed many times. It was a story beloved to Bear and Gerry and Roger in particular, and Philip had had this same gift of pulling a room full of people together with his voice, whether that was in a board room or in front of the fire at home. 


 You two have this gift. Thank you for telling me this story for Christmas.

 Trisha
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:04 pm

Dear Trisha - I envy your way with words.  I wish I could express myself as well as you do.  I know I react emotionally to these wonderful stories but struggle to say why.  You've done that for me in this post.  Thank you.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Hayjude on Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:46 pm

Same here. Reading Trisha’s post about Philip reading aloud to a group of them brought to mind 4 girls in a dark bedroom by the light of a torch with my eldest sister reading stories that she wrote and illustrated herself to her 3 younger sisters. It is a wonderful memory, especially now at Christmas time. For that I thank you.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Trisha Louise on Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:21 pm

Thank you Judy and Cheryl. 

Not the angel conversation I was looking for but this one between Tom and Dale at the end of Silver Bullet ties in with Oregon Way and Dale's ability to bring the people of the past and present together:


“May I see the tattoo?” Tom asked on impulse. “You mentioned it in your last mail.”


Dale wordlessly pulled down the collar of his shirt. It was black. Small, neat, beautiful, an eagle in flight in simple, stark lines.

“That’s rather lovely.” Gerry said lightly. “It’s the Shoshone carving from the rocks up on Mustang Hill, isn’t it? Roger would have loved that. And David.”


A mark born of the ranch. Tom looked at it, thinking of those confidences in his emails, fully understanding what it meant to him that he had imprinted it into his skin and thinking of several things at once, some of them clicking together. It was hard to know whether to say what was in his mind, if it would be tactless or seem trite, but his emails had been discreetly asking for this. Do you understand this? If you do please tell me. 


“Dale?….Do you know what a Shaman is?”

Dale frowned at him. “The dictionary definition?”

Tom gave him a rather wry look, thinking of several men and a couple of women he’d met over the years on various continents. And in some ways too, his father. His father had always been interested in the cultural terms and what they stood for; the names through time for the gatekeepers, being one himself.


“Look it up. I think you’d be interested.”


It's been said that Philip chose Dale, knew he was one of theirs from long before he came to the Ranch. Does this connection Dale feels with the past extend to the future? Is that something Philip had or did he watch up and coming business talent closely enough that Dale caught his attention? Do you think it will play a part in Dale perhaps fishing for someone one day? I could see him following Philip's practice of noticing a CEO in need, as opposed to a formal approach from a corporation to the program. And the energy thrown off by someone in need of the Ranch as shelter, that would have to capture his attention, I imagine. 

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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by Houndnhorse1 on Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:48 am

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Trisha, at the kindness that Dale showed Flynn. It was very powerful that Dale made him a deeper part of the “what” ministry that Dale, Jasper and David share in. I don’t think Flynn ever saw himself in other than a supporting role in that whole side of the ranch. I don’t think it ever occurred to him that he could have his own impact on those people who traveled their land long ago. How perceptive of Dale to see what the realization would mean to Flynn that he too had an influence on the “what” world. And, how great that Jasper provides the comic relief with his “poleaxed” remark!
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:50 pm

I have a couple of questions that have been on my mind for a while.  

First, why doesn't Dale 'see' Philip more often?  At first, I guessed it was because David and Dale were English, brats, and came to DD relationships later in life - so they had that in common.  Also, David was more of an outdoors person, and Dale usually sees him outside.  That being said, I would think Philip would be more of a presence for Dale then he is.  

I was also surprised that the extended family seems to be aware of Dale's ability to see 'whats'.  I'm guessing that will come up later in MEC.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by ktjl on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:32 pm

@JKFan


There was a point in Silver Bullet where Paul encouraged Flynn and especially Jasper to start treating Dale's abilities as a normal, natural thing that can be talked about, rather than a known secret It had a lot to do with how Jasper played things so close to the vest in this area - all in the interest of helping Dale feel more 'normal' about it. So it stands to reason that this attitude has progressed through the family over the time between then and Oregon Way.
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by jkfan on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:34 pm

I'd forgotten that, Katie.  Do you know where in SBR that happens?
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Re: Christmas Story - Oregon Way part 6

Post by ktjl on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:42 pm

Chapter 5 - Ranch Side

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“Riley told me he asked Dale if there was anything spook-like around the bank where you found the bag with the phosphorus.” Paul said wryly. “From what I understand, and I admit I don’t understand much, Dale had a look and wasn’t aware of anything.” Jasper looked across at Flynn, and Paul swatted his knee, exasperated. “Ok, stop with the aha expressions and tell me. We’re in danger of ‘spook’ becoming a taboo word in this house and it isn’t helping.”
 
“Which is my fault, I’m the one that doesn’t like to talk about it.” Jasper said fairly. “Which Dale and Riley both know, and you can’t blame them for picking up on.”
 
That was an unusually definite statement from him, and Paul paused a moment, disarmed and slightly surprised. “I don’t, and Flynn’s as protective of you about it as they are, but it worries me about us
getting into the territory with Dale and Riley of there being things we can’t talk about.”
 
“And it’s never been an issue before because it has only been me, and I could keep it as private as I wanted to.” Jasper said quietly. “What Riley would have asked Dale is was there anything he was aware of in that place, and there is a process of actively being aware. It takes confidence to both do it for someone who expects an interesting answer, and to be sure of anything that you may become aware of. It’s subtle, subjective and it’s easy to start investing it with personal meaning – ‘I didn’t do it right’ or ‘I’m merely imagining what I want to imagine’.”
 
There had always been lighthearted teasing about the subject of ‘spooks’. Paul remembered the first time Dale confessed to them his seeing of David on the ranch and how easily they had been able to make light of it that Jasper also occasionally mentioned seeing similar things to them. But that had been only brushing on the subject and this was going much deeper. It was apparent in Jasper’s face and hands that this was intensely personal ground for him and not something that in his beliefs was meant for casual conversation. It was a subject where the knowledge and faith of his childhood, the
normality of the world as he saw it, clashed with the culture Paul and Flynn had been born into, which didn’t acknowledge such things at all, never mind see them as integrated into everyday life. And it was an area into which Flynn and Paul had never pried, respecting it as private, much as Paul and Jasper accepted Flynn never speaking of the first nineteen years of his life and a New Zealand sheep station. Some things were too sensitive to be touched.
 
“To me, this is a natural and not abnormal thing.” Jasper said slowly. “That is how I want Dale to see it, and it is something that takes a lifetime to fully evolve and understand. It’s part of the purpose of a lifetime.”
 
“You’ve taught him some of it.” Flynn said more gently. “In the way that you’ve taught me some of it, and Riley, and no few clients. They’re techniques that would be very familiar to any therapist or layman in any culture for basic relaxation and simple meditation, but you’ve said to me that Dale is sensitive in the way that you are. Aware of it to a higher level.”
 
“Which we have always known since he first told us he had seen David.” Jasper put his mug down and crossed his legs, resting his elbows on his knees and steepling his hands in front of his face. He’d slipped into what Paul thought of as his more private form of speech, slightly more formal and distinct, and with less contractures than he used in casual conversation, which always reminded Paul that Jasper’s first language had not necessarily been English.
 
“He uses and builds on what I show him, which is as simple and safe as I was shown as a child, like the first water games you play in learning to swim, but it comes naturally to him and he had already begun to explore it for himself before I taught him anything. It is better he explores this with us and with some knowledge of what he’s doing than to do it alone. But while I know what I would call what he is doing, I’m less sure of what the rest of the family would call it or see it as, or how others might feel if they saw it as my encouraging him to believe in things they do not.”
 
“That’s total rubbish.” Paul said emphatically after a brief, shocked pause. “If Riley or Dale heard anyone say anything like that I wouldn’t like to be responsible for the consequences, and no one’s going to dare say that in my hearing either. Honey, I’ve never met anyone less likely to do harm than you, particularly to the two of them, that’s ridiculous.”
 
etc.


And then there's the part later on when the tribal elders visit the ranch and some of the discussion about Whats happens in front of our 5, Gerry, Ash, Luath and Mason on the porch.
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Post by jkfan on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:49 pm

THANK YOU, Katie.  I didn't remember at all that a discussion about Whats happened in front of Gerry, Ash, Luath and Mason.  I thought it was just the 5 that knew about it.  Well, once Gerry found out, I'm sure he's shared that with Darcy, Bear, Niall, and Wade so I'm no longer surprised that everyone in the extended family knows about it.
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Post by Houndnhorse1 on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:51 pm

“He uses and builds on what I show him, which is as simple and safe as I was shown as a child, like the first water games you play in learning to swim, but it comes naturally to him and he had already begun to explore it for himself before I taught him anything. It is better he explores this with us and with some knowledge of what he’s doing than to do it alone. But while I know what I would call what he is doing, I’m less sure of what the rest of the family would call it or see it as, or how others might feel if they saw it as my encouraging him to believe in things they do not.”
 
“That’s total rubbish.” Paul said emphatically after a brief, shocked pause. “If Riley or Dale heard anyone say anything like that I wouldn’t like to be responsible for the consequences, and no one’s going to dare say that in my hearing either. Honey, I’ve never met anyone less likely to do harm than you, particularly to the two of them, that’s ridiculous.”


I remember this part of SBE because I thought it showed Jasper’s insecurities about his differences in regard to the rest of the family. I bet that when Paul, not being a man to see a problem and not do anything, realized how this separated Jasper from the family he went about correcting it post haste!
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Post by jkfan on Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:57 pm

I didn't catch the implications about Jasper until you brought it up, Julie.  I've never thought of Jasper as giving a hoot about what anyone else thought.  Now that I read that section again, I can see what you mean.  

I'm off to do a bit of selected re-reading of SBR.
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Post by Denicemarcell on Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:34 am

Not sure if I can explain clearly: It also makes a base for Tom’s inclusion; no member of the family is excluded. Back in FCR when Dale finds Flynn sitting on his own by the cairn, he thinks of an animal deliberately separating themselves from the herd and that being wrong. Jasper (and Tom) should not be separate from the family. The family has opened the circle/spread the herd to make sure they are included. In Oregon Way Flynn is moved from this happens to them which is all good to I am a part of this which is odd yet good. Jasper would not slip away again as he did at the end of Mustang Hill.
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Post by Houndnhorse1 on Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:55 am

Yes, there is always such a symbiotic relationship in FCR. Jasper helps Dale and is helped in the process. Paul has benefitted so much by learning how to help Dale and it seems to have energized him. And, all of them have opened themselves and their private lives to benefit Tom (and Jake) and it’s obvious that Tom is returning to them just as much as he is being given. Quite lovely.
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Post by Hayjude on Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:08 am

Ah, back to work tomorrow, but it was nice to have this Christmas break - I used to work evenings and nights, Christmas, Easter and every other time when ‘regular folk’ were not. Blessings for having a much more civilized work/life balance now. The new story has brought so much pleasure and prompts rereading of other books as well. It’s been great.
The next thing to look forward to, other than MEC, will be our UK/Paris/Thailand trip in April.
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Post by Trisha Louise on Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:37 am

I was pursuing the Gabriel lead (although I still cannot find that thread, which is maddening), and found that Gabriel was traditionally held not only to be concerned with  communication  but with children which makes the connection between Dale and  the Child Whats of Oregon Way so delightful. The following is picked from one site:

On communication:


The Archangel Gabriel symbol denotes communication, and he assists us in finding ways to communicate with others, especially if there is something which needs to be finalised, discussed or if highly charged emotions are involved.

On children:


The wellbeing and happiness in children is important to him. He especially helps sensitive children, mentoring parents, teachers and counsellors to help a child.

And then there's this, helping people protect themselves from negativity which harks back to Jasper's lessons on shielding, I think:


Archangel Gabriel gives us strength when we feel weak, emotional or vulnerable. He helps us to protect ourselves from negativity and encourages us to feel stronger in situations when needed.


Source: https://www.thecircle.com/au/magazin/life_and_destiny/archangel-gabriel.do

Is anyone here more familiar with the meaning behind the angels and saints and their areas of influence?

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Post by BBNY on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:13 am

Trisha Louise,  I have no idea if this is the right track or not.  In SBE, ch.23, Tom is thinking about Dale in Archangel terms and refers to him as "the messenger with the fiery sword".  That would be the Archangel Uriel.
"Archangel Uriel is a spiritual being of immense light and power, with an incredibly high vibrational frequency.  Uriel is the Archangel of Wisdom, Illumination, Light and of the Sun.  In many senses Archangel Uriel is the Archangel of illumination and is humanity's link to the spiritual realms and Uriel can show you how to find your inner power, raise your vibration and accelerate your shift and into the higher realms of consciousness."

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Post by BBNY on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 am

However, in ch. 25 of SBE, Jake gives Tom a Uriel medal, where he is referred to as the angel of salvation.  Perhaps the definitions of Archangels vary by religion?

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Post by Trisha Louise on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:18 am

"Link to the spiritual realm" and "messenger" certainly reflect aspects of Dale's character. Another lead to chase.  "High vibrational frequency" sounds like an apt Dale descriptor, too. Thanks, BBNY. More to chew on.

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Post by Trisha Louise on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:20 am

@BBNY wrote:However, in ch. 25 of SBE, Jake gives Tom a Uriel medal, where he is referred to as the angel of salvation.  Perhaps the definitions of Archangels vary by religion?

Maybe so? I feel the glare of disappointed religious education teachers at my back for not knowing this stuff.
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Post by knox0606 on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:47 am

@bbny,  I like your description about Uriel.

At the end of SBE, Jake gave Tom a Uriel medallion. He talked about him as the angel of wisdom and salvation.  He made the link to Tom saving himself and Jake on the mountain.

Tom talks about Dale's courage and commitment in SBE without realizing that he too has it. I think he and Dale are so much alike in so many ways and I love seeing their friendship deepen.

This makes me want to read up on all the archangels.

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Post by BBNY on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:54 am

I was raised Roman Catholic, including going to Catholic School.  So that's my source for Archangels.  These stories seem to be based in Church of England?  Different views?  I certainly don't know.
Just to make it more confusing, in that same paragraph in ch. 23, Tom calls Dale the "Angel of Death" which would be Archangel Azrael:
"Azrael meets souls and helps them in the transition of death, in addition to helping newly crossed over souls adjust."

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Post by BBNY on Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:59 am

I was raised Roman Catholic, including going to Catholic School.  So that's my source for Archangels.  These stories seem to be based in Church of England?  Different views?  I certainly don't know.
Just to make it more confusing, in that same paragraph in ch. 23, Tom calls Dale the "Angel of Death" which would be Archangel Azrael:
"Azrael meets souls and helps them in the transition of death, in addition to helping newly crossed over souls adjust."

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Post by Trisha Louise on Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:47 am

As an aside, it would be very timely for Dale to transmit a story about a child (Sarah) at Christmas if Tom already saw him as Gabriel. Sneaky authors...
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Post by Trisha Louise on Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:02 am


Kansas Territory, late 1800s
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Post by Hayjude on Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:34 am

Does anyone know if many of these travelers were attacked by the Native American Indians as is depicted in movies?
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Post by Trisha Louise on Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:41 am

@Hayjude wrote:Does anyone know if many of these travelers were attacked by the Native American Indians as is depicted in movies?

Far fewer than the old Westerns depicted. Cholera, drowning, wagon rollovers and being accidentally shot by someone unfamiliar with a gun were far more likely to see one join the trail side graves.


From the Oregon Trail Center:

Major threats to pioneer life and limb came from accidents, exhaustion, and disease. Crossing rivers were probably the most dangerous thing pioneers did. Swollen rivers could tip over and drown both people and oxen. Such accidents could cause the loss of life and most or all of valuable supplies. Animals could panic when wading through deep, swift water, causing wagons to overturn. Animals could cause very serious injury to their owners. People could be crushed by wagons or animals, thrown by horses.  


According to Peter D. Olch, being run over by wagon wheels was the most frequent cause of injury or death.  Both children and adults could slip while getting out of a wagon and fall beneath the wheels. Children were especially susceptible to being run over by heavy wagons. Firearms were the second leading cause of emigrant injury and death and a surprisingly large number of pioneers were injured by accidental firearm discharges.  It was usually safer to keep rifles unloaded.and the third cause was stampeding livestock.Indians proved not to be any real danger to most pioneers.   Other causes of injury or death included attacks by emigrants on other emigrants, lightning, hailstorms, grassfires, gunpowder explosions, snakebite and suicide.


Diseases and serious illnesses caused the deaths of nine out of ten pioneers. Such diseases as cholera, small pox, flu, measles, mumps, tuberculosis could spread quickly through an entire wagon camp.  Cholera was the main scourge of the trail. It could attack a perfectly healthy person after breakfast and he would be in his grave by noon. However, many would linger in misery for weeks in the bouncy wagons. When it was obvious a person wouldn’t last the day, the train would often hold up moving in order to wait for the end. Burials often were done right in the middle of the trail, where wagons could roll over and animals trample it down in order to erase the scent so wolves could not pick up the scent




The number of deaths which occurred in wagon train companies traveling to California is conservatively figured as 20,000 for the entire 2,000 miles of the Oregon/California Trail, or an average of ten graves per mile.




https://www.oregontrailcenter.org/HistoricalTrails/Dangers.htm
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Post by Hayjude on Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:53 am

Thank you, Trisha.
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Post by Ranger52899 on Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:38 pm

We were interested to find when we researched that early on, and in Sarah's time, Native American tribes around the trail often stepped in and helped wagoners, particularly with crossing the rivers. Relations were friendly, and in the fort as in the story, there were huge trading gatherings several times a year where pioneers were the main customers. 

It was later when the appropriation of land, the presence of the army on the trail, the over hunting and the threat to Native American life became apparent that things went wrong. There were a few atrocities on both sides around the trail, but not that much. As mentioned above, illness, injury, running out of supplies, accidents etc accounted for the vast majority of deaths.
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Post by abouttime2stop on Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:16 pm

This list of historical event is about the impact of non-native american people. The beginning years of the timeline are so full of hostilities, death, and broken promises. It struck me so hard and so sadly. Are we ever going to have the humanity to not use violence and promote hate and division? 

*Note - warning of violence, death, and atrocities. Probably the most historically accurate timeline from the native american perspective.

https://www.legendsofamerica.com/na-timeline/
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